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Re: President Trump --(can't believe I wrote that ...)

Postby shinAUFC Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:26 pm

There is a man called Jacques Fresco who has thought about this future and how society can address it.
It is called the Venus Project and I find it very fascinating.

What I got out of it was that basically instead of fearing that robots and operating systems take over all jobs. Humanity embraces it and encourages every job in society to be automated. As a result no one in society earns an income because there is nothing to buy. If you want something the robots and operating systems provide it.
The only issue obviously with this is that he's asking the people with money and power to give that up for the good of us all which is very unlikely.
But I just find this alternative society fascinating that it really isn't all that ridiculous to think that every person could live a life exactly how they choose as every need that have could be provided to them.
Who feels like catching a plane to London tomorrow?
Who feels like climbing Mt Everest next week?
Who feels like spending every minute of everyday with the people you love?

Its not a perfect theory but I love the concept of it.
Thats a really interesting concept stuckey and i think your right about the ruling upper class not being willing let power and influence slip through their fingers.

I highly reccomend this podcast for anyone interested in the economics of it all.
http://www.acoldwar.com/cold-war-11-economics-pt-3/

These guys have a bunch of different series covering world history but this particular episode talking about military keynesianism during the cold war and beyond absolutely blew my mind . I knew the world was messed up but ray and cam break it down and i cant help but wonder why this sort of thing never makes it to main stream media....oh thats right the illusion of free media and all.
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Re: President Trump --(can't believe I wrote that ...)

Postby sevengoals Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:22 am

Not all media is the problem.

But the education of the masses is.


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Postby shinAUFC Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:56 am

Not all media is the problem.

But the education of the masses is.


B)
Yep, critical thinking and the ability to ask the right questions
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Postby shinAUFC Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:54 pm

The leader of the so called free world proclaiming the free media are the "enemy" and no one even bats an eyelid.

Concerning times.
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Re: President Trump --(can't believe I wrote that ...)

Postby sevengoals Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:16 pm

The leader of the so called free world proclaiming the free media are the "enemy" and no one even bats an eyelid.

Concerning times.

Maybe down there but up here we have noticed.

John McCain reckons.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15Y07R

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/p ... .html?_r=0

There has also been a many fold increase in subscriptions and support to main news media.

http://www.niemanlab.org/2016/11/after- ... donations/

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/donald ... 2016-11-16

Fark him.



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Re: President Trump --(can't believe I wrote that ...)

Postby shinAUFC Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:54 am

Portions of the media are covering it. Ny times have lead the anti trump BS campaign from the start.

However a very large portion of the population are so numb to negative trump news that it just water off a ducks back now so much so that they really dont care.

Then there is another group who truly believe this fake news propaganda from trump and anything negative must be fake regardless of how many credible sources are cited.

Maybe trump is just the anti hero the US needs so the people wake up and become more politically aware again.
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Re: President Trump --(can't believe I wrote that ...)

Postby Aikhme Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:38 am

I do not think Donald Trump as POTUS is a bad thing at all. On the contrary, i think it's a good thing. The alternative was of course Hillary, who was in fact corrupt and played an integral role in the Benghazi debacle and cost many lives. Personally, think that is a great deal worse than making a couple of off the cuff locker room remarks which are insulting to women.

But Donald Trump promises to be a great deal more. There is a lot of promise. It has been an uprising against Political Correctness, Feminism, Ruling Elites and the Establishment and for once he actually talked to the great unwashed and won their trust. All those forgotten people. He was saying what a lot of people are thinking but were too afraid to express. Credit where credit is due, because he would say the unmentionable.

People of the left and the SJW brigade have done the world a great favour even though many do not see it right now. It's people like him who made this revolution possible.

Now I am not sure if Donald Trump will follow through. He may or may not, but I do hold out hope. If the people's needs are not met yet again, then there will be another revolution (Bernie's Sanders or someone like him).

This is a political uprising or revolution which the world saw once before in the 1930s.

And it is international. Marie Le Pen is ahead in the French Polls. WHY? Because people are desperate and can't put food on the table or educate their children. Because they are being flooded with illegal immigrants.

Even in Australia, Pauline Hanson is on the move. And there is little point talking down to people because that will just make it worse. The reason why people are supporting non establishment politics, is because they have been talked down to for so long. We are all just too Politically Correct, established a Nanny State on steroids, and we do not have freedom of speech and hence our democracies are compromised to non existent. We are becoming Totalitarian States not free thinking societies.

So the TRUMP revolution is welcomed by me.

It should be welcomed by everyone unless you want the world to continue on its current trajectory where the worker is compromised, where males are compromised, where the majority is compromised at the expense of minorities, where children are indoctrinated from an early age and shaped or moulded in a certain way of thinking and have their childhood and innocence robbed from them (Safe Schools).

Politics has changed forever. The Alt Right is on the march. These are the anti-authoritarian, anti elites, anti Nanny State do gooders that think they are superior to the rest. Or we continue the way we are, but as a country we too are approaching the breaking point.

Strap in and enjoy the ride guys. it's going to be very interesting, and in the process quite a few loud heads are going to explode. Not before time either.
Wondering if you still feel this way?
Do you still see Trump as anti-elite, for example? He's definitely an anti-intellectual in the great tradition of populist dictators, but he's looking out for the big end of town in a big way.
And the Alt-Right are not anti-authoritarian at all, it would seem: they love that Trump is trying to bypass all the systems that are in place to limit authoritarian power. They worship him with a cult of popularity based around his promises to make America great again by being tough on all the bad hombres... Fascists love a strong leader.
Anti-nanny state, well that all depends on what you think is an appropriate level of governmental control over its citizens. Trying to overturn Roe v Wade is certainly not about upholding individual freedoms.
And the point about all this as a response of the 'forgotten people' who are sick of being talked down to - that's absolutely a part of it, and maybe these are the people whose will be better served by Trump, but that doesn't mean the rights of others should be curtailed. Once the desire for a fair go economically turns into a hate of other people, they've lost all my sympathy.

As for this paragraph:
It should be welcomed by everyone unless you want the world to continue on its current trajectory where the worker is compromised, where males are compromised, where the majority is compromised at the expense of minorities, where children are indoctrinated from an early age and shaped or moulded in a certain way of thinking and have their childhood and innocence robbed from them (Safe Schools).
... that's frankly bullshit. As a white working male aged between 18-50 I can safely say that absolutely zero of my rights are 'compromised at the expense of minorities'. And teaching children to be compassionate and tolerant is not political 'indoctrination', it's education.

You're right, the Trump era will be a very interesting ride and will result in a lot of upheaval. I'm optimistic that it will send people back on the path to tolerance and diversity though, if nothing else this is just showing how dangerous things can get if we lose sight of our common humanity ..
Yes Greg, I still feel the same way and also feel vindicated that Trump has thus far remained true to his words.

It's still early days of course, even early to provide an accurate assessment on his administration. But since his inauguration, nearly 500,000 full time jobs have been created on the back of his economic reform policies.

So far it's a very big thumbs up.

I just got back from New York about a week ago, and whilst many in New York are apprehensive about Trump, confidence in the economy is returning. Figures are up and people have a spring step. I haven't seen this since 2007, almost a decade ago.
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Re: President Trump --(can't believe I wrote that ...)

Postby shinAUFC Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:00 pm

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Would certainly want him managing my portfolio.....

Although i think the meme would be accurate for 99% of all investors.
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Postby Aikhme Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:00 pm

That's because Trump had numerous business interests, some of which went down during the various financial crisis and downtowns.

2 notable businesses which nearly sent him to the wall were an airline he started and some casino resorts in Florida. He had a 7 star resort which literally went to the wall and the Banks wanted to foreclose at one point but decided they would lose less by not doing so.

Being in business myself, you understand the concept of risk vs reward. It's very easy to lose money and it's hard to make it. But when you make it, then it beats working on a wage or for someone else.
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Re: President Trump --(can't believe I wrote that ...)

Postby sevengoals Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:56 pm

500,000 jobs created in the two months he has been President?

I doubt it.
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Postby Aikhme Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:29 pm

Don't doubt it! It's fact!

265,000 jobs in February and 225,000 in March. These are official economics data out of the US.

It's predicted that if the Americans have 6 consecutive months like that, then they have reached universal employment.
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Postby Stuckey Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:44 pm

500,000 jobs created in the two months he has been President?

I doubt it.
Truth or not. To offer anyone credit for anything so early in their tenure is ridiculous. Any changes made by the administration would barely be rolled out entirely.
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Postby Stuckey Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:46 pm

That's because Trump had numerous business interests, some of which went down during the various financial crisis and downtowns.

2 notable businesses which nearly sent him to the wall were an airline he started and some casino resorts in Florida. He had a 7 star resort which literally went to the wall and the Banks wanted to foreclose at one point but decided they would lose less by not doing so.

Being in business myself, you understand the concept of risk vs reward. It's very easy to lose money and it's hard to make it. But when you make it, then it beats working on a wage or for someone else.
So you're saying they've voted in a lousy business man.
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Postby Aikhme Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:31 am

No, they voted a pretty staunch and ruthless businessman. Any businessman with the tenacity to fight through the ups and downs like that, taking big capital risks is just mind boggling.

Also, I never said the jobs were as a result of his low tax business policies as they haven't even been rolled out yet.

The jobs were created by the positive sentiment due to his election. In other words, confidence is on the rise.
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Postby Aikhme Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:31 am

No, they voted a pretty staunch and ruthless businessman. Any businessman with the tenacity to fight through the ups and downs like that, taking big capital risks is just mind boggling.

Also, I never said the jobs were as a result of his low tax business policies as they haven't even been rolled out yet.

The jobs were created by the positive sentiment due to his election. In other words, confidence is on the rise.

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