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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby The Claw Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:50 am

I agree but I think we were very lucky to win, even in the first 5 minutes they had two really clear chances that were butchered.

Not writing the season or anyone off, but LB looks a bit weak at this stage as does the forward department with Baba missing.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby bpowell454 Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:35 am

I think I'd rather play HAL teams rather than NPL teams in the cup. I feel like when you "play down" the game always ends up being scrappy and we don't play our own rhythm. Maybe it's mental more than physical.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby BenAD Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:34 am

I was super worried leading into the game, Lions are a very good NPL side and I knew it would be harder then against the CCM team we played in the round of 32. The fact remains, we are in pre season and the new players are still getting used to the systems.

Lions were the better side, but in the end we took our only good chance and kept them from scoring. A side that can grind out those kind of results, is exactly what we are going to need and it was a very good test from a very fit and capable opposition.

I am a little surprised we went so experienced, I know we played AP, but that was clearly only because Ilso couldnt start and Blackwood and Baba are still not fit. I would of thought having a few kids that could better match their intensity / constant pressing and running, would of been a decent change in the 2nd half, but instead we brought on two older players. However looking to the A-League both Ilso and Halloran need minutes so, from that point of view it was a good thing.

WIth many like Strain, Konstandopoulos, Brooks and Pacifique Niyongabire not even on the bench, I wonder if they are all just sore from the pre season training or if Kurz wanted to make sure we had an experienced team to grind out the result.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby Stuckey Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:47 am

I think taking a conservative approach to the game was smart with the age of the bench in mind.
As per usual the midfield generally created very little for the forwards to take advantage of.
I missed the start of the game was there any discussion about Baba and where he's at?
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby mcjules Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:31 am

I missed the start of the game was there any discussion about Baba and where he's at?
Kurz said somethings in the pre-match press conference
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In summary, he's not 100% fit and with Baba's injury history he's being careful with him.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby EdDog Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:52 pm

With the squad we have assembled this season, if we don't perform well it will all be on Kurz.

I think his football tactics work well when we are the underdog with less fancied footballers who can play above themselves with grit and determination. However when we there is expectation and we are the favourites, I fear his tactics might fall short.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby sevengoals Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:50 pm

I am happy we are through to the next round.

And MV is not!

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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby shinAUFC Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:06 pm

With the squad we have assembled this season, if we don't perform well it will all be on Kurz.

I think his football tactics work well when we are the underdog with less fancied footballers who can play above themselves with grit and determination. However when we there is expectation and we are the favourites, I fear his tactics might fall short.
I totally agree with this.

In germany it seems kurz was a relegation battle specialist.

I speculated months ago if our owners build a good squad it may be something new for Kurz being in a situation where we look to dominate with the ball rather than a smash grab.

With that being said kurz is no chump and im sure he will be able to make use of our midfield depth, sure we are not a tiki taka team but if we build from a strong defence and midfield like arnolds sydney fc then ill be happy.

On Ilso, the very few times we got him on the ball he looked strong with his back to goals and had good control with the one touch passes, i noticed meridith has already written him off claiming his career had obviously derailed since his debut at 17years old in the eredivisie. Given he bounced around south east asia..That is despite Ilso dominating tgose leagues abd addressing why he walked away from europe.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby Jumbinho Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:27 pm

Gotta admit I’m pretty cold on Kurz tactically. I kind of felt like I was on my own island last year a lot of the time thinking our play was pretty unimpressive, and these first two games haven’t done a lot to change my opinion.

I just find our system to be really uninspired. We seem to have no discernible plan aside from getting it to the wingers and letting them going one on one. Might work more often than not when you have an individual with the quality of Goodwin, but it doesn’t do much for me. We really struggle to have any combination play, and our midfield three just gets bypassed completely way too often.

We’re super predictable too on the occasions we try and play out from the keeper. Mids always too high up the pitch to be viable passing options making it easy for the opposition to trap us in the corner when the ball goes to our fullback.

Maybe I’m overly harsh, or completely out of my mind. Do agree though that this is one of our best squads, so will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Postby EdDog Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:07 am

Gotta admit I’m pretty cold on Kurz tactically. I kind of felt like I was on my own island last year a lot of the time thinking our play was pretty unimpressive, and these first two games haven’t done a lot to change my opinion.

I just find our system to be really uninspired. We seem to have no discernible plan aside from getting it to the wingers and letting them going one on one. Might work more often than not when you have an individual with the quality of Goodwin, but it doesn’t do much for me. We really struggle to have any combination play, and our midfield three just gets bypassed completely way too often.

We’re super predictable too on the occasions we try and play out from the keeper. Mids always too high up the pitch to be viable passing options making it easy for the opposition to trap us in the corner when the ball goes to our fullback.

Maybe I’m overly harsh, or completely out of my mind. Do agree though that this is one of our best squads, so will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Completely agree, although I think it had its merits with the squad we had last season.

Tbf though, apart from a handful of coaches past and present (Gomby, Poppa, Arnie, Merrick, Ange et al) there are not many HAL coaches that have discernible game plans, the quality just isn't there.

Kurz seems to work our players hard, gets them into a fighting mentality and sends them out to run as hard as they can for 90mins.

Not pretty but can be effective. Not sure how it will hold up this season though.
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Re: RE: Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby Rojos Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:21 am

Gotta admit I’m pretty cold on Kurz tactically. I kind of felt like I was on my own island last year a lot of the time thinking our play was pretty unimpressive, and these first two games haven’t done a lot to change my opinion.

I just find our system to be really uninspired. We seem to have no discernible plan aside from getting it to the wingers and letting them going one on one. Might work more often than not when you have an individual with the quality of Goodwin, but it doesn’t do much for me. We really struggle to have any combination play, and our midfield three just gets bypassed completely way too often.

We’re super predictable too on the occasions we try and play out from the keeper. Mids always too high up the pitch to be viable passing options making it easy for the opposition to trap us in the corner when the ball goes to our fullback.

Maybe I’m overly harsh, or completely out of my mind. Do agree though that this is one of our best squads, so will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Completely agree, although I think it had its merits with the squad we had last season.

Tbf though, apart from a handful of coaches past and present (Gomby, Poppa, Arnie, Merrick, Ange et al) there are not many HAL coaches that have discernible game plans, the quality just isn't there.

Kurz seems to work our players hard, gets them into a fighting mentality and sends them out to run as hard as they can for 90mins.

Not pretty but can be effective. Not sure how it will hold up this season though.
I'm in agreement, his style is very direct (too direct IMO) and largely based on fitness.

I think no team had more shots at goal than us last year, whilst I recall a few bangers from Lia, Adlung and i think even Elsey there were far more heading to row Z.

We've a good squad, some promising youngsters and should be optimistic for the season ahead but pretty it won't be.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby MartinAUFC Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:17 pm

I’m going to swim against the tide a bit here. Maybe it’s because I’m English but I prefer a direct style of play.
The Spanish inspired pass ‘em to death style used to bore the pants off me tbh. I’m not saying let’s sign Peter Crouch and just hit long balls, but getting it out to the wingers, letting them take on the fullback before swinging in a good cross that gets nodded or volleyed into the net…well nothing beats that imo.
But I guess that's why we love the game. So many different ways to get from point A to point B.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby Jessesdad Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:53 pm

I'm with Martin. I like the passing game but it can become self-defeating. As can any system. Happy to use the wings as long as that's not all though. Most happy if whatever system we play actually leads to goals. And wins. The other night was dire. We not only didn't control play but we were outrun and out-hussled. You'd have to call it a very lucky win. It worries me that players like Strain, who is a clever, ball-playing member of the squad can't get a look in yet we still play Lia. Vince is a great squadie but he's neither the future of football or the cultured midfielder we need.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby shinAUFC Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:47 pm

I think football has progressed from absolute possesion style play. It has been countered with a floyd mayweather esque defensive game which we saw time and again work at the worls cup.

Football is always evolving and there is always a counter to the latest trend.

Given our 10 describes himself as a very direct attacking mid id say expect more of the same.

I actually find intelligent counter attacking football entertaining, think arnolds ccm/ sfc, fergusons Man U...... dare i commit a sin and say i enjoy watching the scottish prem for the way they play :o.

Our midfield needs to get better regardless though, theres being direct and then there is putting a cement foot through the ball at every opportunity.
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Re: FFA Cup Round of 16: Lions FC vs Adelaide United

Postby 2UtdsDundeeAdel Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:21 pm

This thread has a very familiar feel to it. Should we re-title it 'Sack Kurz' or ' Don't Sack Kurz'?.

Our performance was horrible to watch yet we made it through.
The squad selection, particularly the exclusions were confusing, however I don't attend the day to day training and am not familiar with the players present condition or progress.

I'll wait until round 3 or 4 of the regular season until I start getting excited/worried, and until then hope we continue to progress in all competitions.

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