New rectangular stadium in Adelaide?

[Ghost]

It seems to assume Adelaide Oval number 2 is not needed.

You would be correct as the plan if we bid for Commonwealth Games is to turn it into a completely unnecessary athletics track.

I know they used to use it for cricket matches which could still happen inside an athletics track, but not in a rectangular stadium. Upgrade Hindmarsh Stadium.

I feel Adelaide are hoping to follow the Melbourne model and having all their stadia in one area to make plans for further public transport development more viable as it will be utilised with AFL, Cricket and HAL attracting fans to the area 12 months a year.
I think upgrading Hindmarsh is a cheaper option short term. But long term there will then be need for public transport to Hindmarsh to improve. Which will cost more in either development or maintenance costs, that would be extra to the infrastructure already in place near Adelaide Oval, which obviously isn't perfect but it's able to cope with 50-100k people. Whether that be the end of the game or peak rush-hour.

It does make some sense.

[Futbol_Crazy21]

I don't see how public transport is an issue. There is a tram and a train that is a 5-10min walk to the stadium.

I think its just the stadium is just closer to a central location, closer to food, shopping, entertainment, its all within walking distance.

[bpowell454]

I don't see how public transport is an issue. There is a tram and a train that is a 5-10min walk to the stadium.

I think its just the stadium is just closer to a central location, closer to food, shopping, entertainment, its all within walking distance.

Any current public transport issues could be fixed with better signage or some paint on the sidewalk, or if they really want to spend the money an illuminated walkway towards the tram.

[mcjules]

I don't see how public transport is an issue. There is a tram and a train that is a 5-10min walk to the stadium.

I think its just the stadium is just closer to a central location, closer to food, shopping, entertainment, its all within walking distance.

Any current public transport issues could be fixed with better signage or some paint on the sidewalk, or if they really want to spend the money an illuminated walkway towards the tram.

Better signage, an illuminated walkway and more services for matchdays. Trying to catch the tram for Friday night matches can be pretty frustrating you're competing with the people going home from work too.

Also one time I had to get out to Seaford after a Sunday game so I took the tram to the train station only to find I missed the train by 3 minutes and there wasn't another one for an hour. Lucky I didn't have my kids with me as it would have been even worse.

[Stuckey]

I don't see how public transport is an issue. There is a tram and a train that is a 5-10min walk to the stadium.

I think its just the stadium is just closer to a central location, closer to food, shopping, entertainment, its all within walking distance.

I'm not talking about the convenience of transport. Its the capacity of the transport. A tram every 10 mins going to the city that can only carry 200 people max isn't really enough for a 16k stadium. What happens if we nearly double that crowd as planned?
Sporting events need to consider the community around the event also. Just getting everyone to drive to a game clogging up the roads before and after the game isn't really fair on the residents that live in the area. Having the stadium near the best possible public transport will reduce the congestion on the roads.
Although in saying that driving near the MCG before or after a match is still a nightmare for me and that stadium is entirely surrounded by public transport. There also needs to be benefits to catching it. Which there are but I think that needs to be spelt out for some people.

[shinAUFC]

I don't see how public transport is an issue. There is a tram and a train that is a 5-10min walk to the stadium.

I think its just the stadium is just closer to a central location, closer to food, shopping, entertainment, its all within walking distance.

The only thing needed to make it better is run tram substitute buses along side the tram service. Only need 2 buses and the flow would be substantially greater

[Stuckey]

I don't see how public transport is an issue. There is a tram and a train that is a 5-10min walk to the stadium.

I think its just the stadium is just closer to a central location, closer to food, shopping, entertainment, its all within walking distance.

The only thing needed to make it better is run tram substitute buses along side the tram service. Only need 2 buses and the flow would be substantially greater

That's a great idea.

Another thing, there aren't a huge amount of businesses around Hindmarsh that truly benefit from games being there. Obviously there are a few, just not as many as around Adelaide Oval. I was always shocked that we didn't hear and see more campaigning from the businesses in the city to get AFL in the city before it went there. Its been such a massive boost to them. Having HAL games there too would offer another boost to their business. Especially the Casino.

[Geogeo]

I know it was grandfinal day,

but the amount of people out before the game and after the game was fantastic. This is where hindmarsh loses out. As greg griffen stated at the town hall gathering last wednesday, the state has $0 to spend on stadium upgrades. We'll be lucky to get the corners and a roof over the eastern stand at hindmarsh.

Hopefully our kids might see a new stadium, but i dont expect to see it in my life time.

[shinAUFC]

With the state government lobbying to bring socceroos v japan, adelaide v Leicester plus partnering with the La Liga offseason tournament i think its clear they are well and truly aware of the financial opportunities football can bring.

Given the government know they can sell out adelaide oval for big football events there is no reason at all for them to build a new stadium. However there is a good case to raise hindmarsh capacity to 20-25k.

A sticking point for Them would be that hindmarsh only has one Tennant.

I would not be surprised if the government and FFA come to an upgrade agreement on the provision there are 2 aleague clubs. Which will double the amount of times hindmarsh is booked.

I know people will scoff at the possibility of 2 teams in this city but there are many football fans in this city who do not like aufc. Further more FFA know how to build a club from scratch and the evidence shows a second team only helps the original club grow. Given they would be propped up by ffa and probably have discounted memberships and visa concessions plus added might of marketing behind them just as wsw did
Im sure they could grind out a following without hurting aufc substantially.

Even if this second club was a league minnow there would be a minimum of 3 derbies every season plus up to 4 melbourne victory games held at hindmarsh.

More games at hindmarsh also means aufcs rent could decrease so its is totally beneficial for everyone involved.

Im not saying a 2nd club would be an instant success without growing pains but there is a mutual benefit for ffa and the government and aufc if they come to a similar agreement.

Fearing a second club in this city is short sighted, it will grow the game in this city and double the amount of positions available to talented adelaide youths to build a career.

Its very hard to argue for a new stadium or even an upgrade for a single club who plays 14 home games a season.

[EdDog]

A second Adelaide club would be awesome.

[Old Gregg]

Another thing, there aren't a huge amount of businesses around Hindmarsh that truly benefit from games being there.

There's a new cafe on Port Rd where El Choto used to be called the 'Red Roar'. Obviously aiming to capitalise on the proximity of the stadium (title may be a bit confusing when Brisbane come to town though).
I wanted to drop by for a quick pastry or something before the semi final but bizarrely they weren't open!

The proximity to food & drink that AO has is good, but for a Sunday game like the GF most stuff is closed. Stupid.

[Old Gregg]

A second Adelaide club would be awesome.

Agree. I think it would work less like Wanderers & more like Melbourne Heart - which hasn't really cannibalized the Victory support but has provided an option for people that never really got on board MV.
Adelaide City is the obvious choice for a licence but there's a possibility that this might alienate some people (e.g. old West Adelaide supporters).
Here's a question for those WATR's of Greek heritage: are there many people around that never got into Adelaide United and would be miffed if City got a licence ahead of some new Melbourne Heart- style entity?

[shinAUFC]

A second Adelaide club would be awesome.

Agree. I think it would work less like Wanderers & more like Melbourne Heart - which hasn't really cannibalized the Victory support but has provided an option for people that never really got on board MV.
Adelaide City is the obvious choice for a licence but there's a possibility that this might alienate some people (e.g. old West Adelaide supporters).
Here's a question for those WATR's of Greek heritage: are there many people around that never got into Adelaide United and would be miffed if City got a licence ahead of some new Melbourne Heart- style entity?

Imagine if a club that was somehow a sort of FFSA conglomerate came to existence. That would build a healthy rivalry with aufc for sure. Obviously very complicated and highly unlikely but hey...would be cool.

I cant see a single npl club getting the nod though, it goes against everything ffa have done so far and likely to alienate an already small pool of potential fans.

I guess im off topic and derailing the thread but an extra aleague club would be a fantastic case for an upgrade of hindmarsh all the same.

[Stuckey]

With the state government lobbying to bring socceroos v japan, adelaide v Leicester plus partnering with the La Liga offseason tournament i think its clear they are well and truly aware of the financial opportunities football can bring.

Given the government know they can sell out adelaide oval for big football events there is no reason at all for them to build a new stadium. However there is a good case to raise hindmarsh capacity to 20-25k.

A sticking point for Them would be that hindmarsh only has one Tennant.

I would not be surprised if the government and FFA come to an upgrade agreement on the provision there are 2 aleague clubs. Which will double the amount of times hindmarsh is booked.

I know people will scoff at the possibility of 2 teams in this city but there are many football fans in this city who do not like aufc. Further more FFA know how to build a club from scratch and the evidence shows a second team only helps the original club grow. Given they would be propped up by ffa and probably have discounted memberships and visa concessions plus added might of marketing behind them just as wsw did
Im sure they could grind out a following without hurting aufc substantially.

Even if this second club was a league minnow there would be a minimum of 3 derbies every season plus up to 4 melbourne victory games held at hindmarsh.

More games at hindmarsh also means aufcs rent could decrease so its is totally beneficial for everyone involved.

Im not saying a 2nd club would be an instant success without growing pains but there is a mutual benefit for ffa and the government and aufc if they come to a similar agreement.

Fearing a second club in this city is short sighted, it will grow the game in this city and double the amount of positions available to talented adelaide youths to build a career.

Its very hard to argue for a new stadium or even an upgrade for a single club who plays 14 home games a season.

I think it would be cheaper to throw money at Hindmarsh now then spend that money on a second club.
I understand where you're coming from but although there is a number of people who don't like AU. That group of people isn't as big as they seem and wouldn't entirely get behind a club unless it was their own.
The key is trying to find something for the stadium over winter.
I seriously think if the government, FFSA, AUFC and AEC came together they could organise something worthwhile over the winter months. The main issue is coverage from the weather. Which is something that's needed addressing for ages.

[shinAUFC]

Cheaper for who ?

The government would not have anything to do with a second club thus would not cost them a cent.

All im saying if the government say, " Sure we would like to upgrade hindmarsh but we need 2 tennants booked for the next 5 years." Its not out of the question FFA may commit to backing a second franchise in adelaide at the completion of an upgrade as apart of the deal.

However rugby league or union could also be interested in an adelaide franchise though id assume this would be a harder sell for investors.

Either way you look at it there needs to be 2 long term tennants to add weight to a stadium upgrade.