We Are The Reds

Another night another VAR fail!

VAR was on smoko break when bobo raked he studs down muscats legs behind play.

Muscat gets a red from VAR for an elbow later in the game.

Hiw did var miss this!? Foxsports saw it which means it was broadcast on the stadium screen.

VAR has actually made officiating worse and wildu inconsistent.

Both were clear reds and the inconsistency is appalling. The referees are definitely favouring Sydney in terms of cards, they have by far and away the least number of yellow cards in the competition with 10. A total joke.

Ok 2 var fails in 2 games of this round leta go for the hat trick

Brama and McGing both sent off after on field yellows are wrongly changed to reds by the VAR. 4 massive mistakes in 3 games from the system that is supposed to remove errors. I am just stunned at how bad it has become.

How does bobo stay on the pitch for sfc and the next night ccm lose a man for contact during play

We play CCM next. They are going to appeal McGing's red card and if it is not overturned I want both clubs, CCM and us, Adelaide, to refuse to play the game in protest.

VAR should stick only to matters of fact.
VAR should show results on the screen (a limited range of results eg PENALTY, NO PENALTY, REFS CALL).
No TV on the side of the field - decisions made by the VAR not referred back for viewing by the infield ref.

When a penalty is given - have five things that VAR check:
(1) was it inside the penalty area;
(2) did the players stay onside in the passage of play which leads to the goal;
(3) did the ball remain in play in the passage of play which leads to the penalty;
(4) for handball - did the ball make contact with the hand/arm;
(5) for a foul - did a defender make contact with the attacker.
If the answer to all questions is YES, then "PENALTY" on the big screen.
If the answer to any single question is NO, then "NO PENALTY" on the big screen.
If the answer to any question is unclear then "REFS CALL" on the big screen.

If referee turns down a penalty appeal - then at REFS DISCRETION have VAR check:
(1) In case of handball appeal where ref think didn't hit hand at all - VAR check. (If refs waves of as not deliberate then no VAR) - if no contact then "NO PENALTY", if contact then either "PENALTY" if an obviously deliberate handball, or "REF'S CALL" if not obviously deliberate.
(2) In case of penalty appeal for a foul where ref believes no contact was made at all - then similar to (1) above;
(3) In case of penalty appeal where ref gives a free kick at the edge of box - VAR check for if initial contact is inside the box, with "PENALTY", "NO PENALTY" or "REFS CALL" on the screen.

When a goal is given - first check did the ball cross the line, then the same sorts of things as above, show "GOAL", "NO GOAL" or "REFS CALL" on the screen.

If these are the only VAR questions for penalty decisions and goal decisions then it leaves all matters of interpretation with the referee.

Where a red card is given or a second yellow card - VAR automatically check ONLY:
(1) was ANY contact made; and
(2) was it mistaken identity.
Show "RED CARD", "NO RED CARD" or "MISTAKEN IDENTITY" on the big screen.

Where a red card is NOT given then no VAR:
(1) where ref sees it and either gives a yellow or nothing; or
(2) ref doesn't see it; or
(3) it happens behind play.

MRP to take on an increased role:
(1) review all yellow cards with option to upgrade to a red card or give a fine;
(2) option to review any behind the play incidents not seen by the referee and issue a red card, a yellow card or a fine;
(3) accept referrals from clubs of behind play incidents incidents;

So they tweaked the rules for var and have just ruined another game with maccarone being judged offside and var cannot over rule.

Priceless

So they tweaked the rules for var and have just ruined another game with maccarone being judged offside and var cannot over rule.

Priceless

It's just highlighting that it has no place in our game. I think everyone can accept referee errors (eventually...), but when there is a system in place to correct errors and it is also failing, then there is no point at all and its just bringing more negativity to the game.

If the FFA really wanted to make a good PR move they could drop the VAR and make a lot of fans very happy and perhaps win some much needed brownie points.

For the VAR to be useful it must correct errors, it must not make errors, it must be consistent and it must be easy to explain. It is none of these things, the trial has failed, it should be removed but it never will be unless FIFA remove it world wide.

So they tweaked the rules for var and have just ruined another game with maccarone being judged offside and var cannot over rule.

Priceless

It's just highlighting that it has no place in our game. I think everyone can accept referee errors (eventually...), but when there is a system in place to correct errors and it is also failing, then there is no point at all and its just bringing more negativity to the game.

If the FFA really wanted to make a good PR move they could drop the VAR and make a lot of fans very happy and perhaps win some much needed brownie points.

Yeah its one thing to have teething problems and the odd 50/50 controversy but its fair to say VAR has drastically changed the season standings this season.

Its not just a matter of dropping a few points. One game can see a 6 point turn around.

We can argue all day long if var is a good thing or if its just implemented wrong or when var can and can not intervene. But the fact is it has routinely disadvantaged teams and has made a mess of the season.

This is a professional league, peoples careers are decided on results, fans pay good money its just not good enough. We can all agree on this surely.

Let other leagues be the guniea pigs.

FFA can't just drop it mid season when they've put their hand up to FIFA to trial it. Should we be guinea pigs? I've been happy every other time we've trailed things, so I can't really complain now when one idea doesn't work (and it's fair to say that as implemented it's been a failure).

However, VAR didn't "not work" in the Macarrone non-goal because the ref had already stopped the game. You can't blame VAR for that one.

FFA can't just drop it mid season when they've put their hand up to FIFA to trial it. Should we be guinea pigs? I've been happy every other time we've trailed things, so I can't really complain now when one idea doesn't work (and it's fair to say that as implemented it's been a failure).

However, VAR didn't "not work" in the Macarrone non-goal because the ref had already stopped the game. You can't blame VAR for that one.

The fact that VAR could not intervene in the maccarone goal does infact show VARs failings and its lopsided powers.

There is a big difference between being open minded and trialling something new and just flat out accepting mediocrity.

The Overton Window in the aleague has well and truly been shifted.

FFA can't just drop it mid season when they've put their hand up to FIFA to trial it. Should we be guinea pigs? I've been happy every other time we've trailed things, so I can't really complain now when one idea doesn't work (and it's fair to say that as implemented it's been a failure).

However, VAR didn't "not work" in the Macarrone non-goal because the ref had already stopped the game. You can't blame VAR for that one.

The fact that VAR could not intervene in the maccarone goal does infact show VARs failings and its lopsided powers.

There is a big difference between being open minded and trialling something new and just flat out accepting mediocrity.

The Overton Window in the aleague has well and truly been shifted.

It's impossible for any version of the VAR to fix the error which prevented Macarone scoring. The only ones who could fix that error are the assistant referee (by not flagging whenever the call is that close) or the referee (by not blowing the whistle until the play is completed).

VAR- first time in England debuting at a FA Cup match.

Roy Hodgson admitted he had directed “spiteful” words at the referee, Andre Marriner, after watching the Brighton striker Glenn Murray put his Crystal Palace team out of the FA Cup with a potentially controversial late winner for 2-1. But Hodgson changed his tune entirely after being assured that Murray had not used his hand to ease the ball over the line. The assurances came via the Video Assistant Referee, which had been used for the first time in an English club match.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... er-referee

The upshot is that VAR was used and generally adjudged to come to the right decision, but just as notable was the speed with which the intervention took place. The exchange between Marriner and his assistants in front of the screens was barely discernible, so the concerns about how much it might delay the flow of the game were not an issue in this case.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... var-fa-cup

Some more thoughts on the matter...

The game is too emotional, and the experience within the stadium too important, for it to be reined in by a system that does not cater for either...

There is no objective truth in football.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... ional-game


To be honest, I'm happy with just goal line technology.
I don't need the rest.