HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby ZANZIBAR Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:50 pm

So far 13 games in and not a single 0-0 draw. Had this argument at work when a mate....loose term..... Asked how many boring 0-0 results so far. Our league tends to average 3 goals a game. Shame the crowd numbers have been a little underwhelming so far.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby bpowell454 Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:18 pm

VAR is making a boring game in Sydney even more boring. Time to fuck it off. It only seems to work in the favor of the FFA favorites anyway so may as well just stick with the regular biased referees.
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Postby otto62 Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:17 am

Surely the VAR is for overturning obvious errors. So the only question for the VAR should have been "Did the ball hit the hand." not "Was that handball a penalty offence." Questions of fact only please, not interpretation.

Was it offside in the passage of play leading to the goal - yes or no.
Did the ball actually hit the hand in the penalty area - yes or no.
Did the foul happen inside the penalty area not outside - yes or no.
Did the ball cross the goal line - yes or no.
Did the ball go out of play for a corner or goal kick before the goal was scored - yes or no.
Did the player actually have his leg kicked which led to the penalty - yes or no.
Did the player make contact with the other player (eg push in the back, tackle, etc) - yes or no.

Don't extend it to matters of interpretation - like was it "deliberate" handball or ball to hand, was the kick to the leg a penalty or was it a dive, was the hand in the back a penalty or was it a dive, was the tackle shoulder to shoulder or in the back.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby Ghost Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:05 pm

Surely the VAR is for overturning obvious errors. So the only question for the VAR should have been "Did the ball hit the hand." not "Was that handball a penalty offence." Questions of fact only please, not interpretation.

Was it offside in the passage of play leading to the goal - yes or no.
Did the ball actually hit the hand in the penalty area - yes or no.
Did the foul happen inside the penalty area not outside - yes or no.
Did the ball cross the goal line - yes or no.
Did the ball go out of play for a corner or goal kick before the goal was scored - yes or no.
Did the player actually have his leg kicked which led to the penalty - yes or no.
Did the player make contact with the other player (eg push in the back, tackle, etc) - yes or no.

Don't extend it to matters of interpretation - like was it "deliberate" handball or ball to hand, was the kick to the leg a penalty or was it a dive, was the hand in the back a penalty or was it a dive, was the tackle shoulder to shoulder or in the back.
Makes some sense especially as our referees have comprehensively proven there interpretation of the rules does not improve when watching dozens of replays.
The second last one can be a matter of interpretation to some extent, people are still arguing whether Berisha should have received that grand final penalty because they cannot tell whether the leg was kicked or not from the video.
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Postby bpowell454 Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:01 pm

Surely the VAR is for overturning obvious errors. So the only question for the VAR should have been "Did the ball hit the hand." not "Was that handball a penalty offence." Questions of fact only please, not interpretation.

Was it offside in the passage of play leading to the goal - yes or no.
Did the ball actually hit the hand in the penalty area - yes or no.
Did the foul happen inside the penalty area not outside - yes or no.
Did the ball cross the goal line - yes or no.
Did the ball go out of play for a corner or goal kick before the goal was scored - yes or no.
Did the player actually have his leg kicked which led to the penalty - yes or no.
Did the player make contact with the other player (eg push in the back, tackle, etc) - yes or no.

Don't extend it to matters of interpretation - like was it "deliberate" handball or ball to hand, was the kick to the leg a penalty or was it a dive, was the hand in the back a penalty or was it a dive, was the tackle shoulder to shoulder or in the back.
I thought it was only there to overturn obvious referee errors? If the ref calls a pen and the ball hit the hand then there is no obvious error. No matter how soft it may have been.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby Stuckey Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:52 pm

It's shocking that for all the FIFA implementation, making a ref run over to the sideline and watch a TV to get info was what they came up with. FIFA have basically ignored every other sport that's year ahead of them in this sort of thing.
Cricket is a perfect example. When a decision is reviewed the 3rd umpire makes the decision then informs the on field umpire to keep or change their decision. The decision is basically taken out of the on-field umpires hands so someone with far more accurate information can make a far more educated decision.
Why does the ref even need to see vision on it? They have the extra ref on hand who is in the position to make the best decision. They can make the call just like a linesman would the ref doesn't need to see vision of every debatable time the ball goes out for a throw-in.
This is supposed to help refs but instead due to such idiotic implementation it's placing more pressure on them.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby Ghost Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:00 pm

It's shocking that for all the FIFA implementation, making a ref run over to the sideline and watch a TV to get info was what they came up with. FIFA have basically ignored every other sport that's year ahead of them in this sort of thing.
Cricket is a perfect example. When a decision is reviewed the 3rd umpire makes the decision then informs the on field umpire to keep or change their decision. The decision is basically taken out of the on-field umpires hands so someone with far more accurate information can make a far more educated decision.
Why does the ref even need to see vision on it? They have the extra ref on hand who is in the position to make the best decision. They can make the call just like a linesman would the ref doesn't need to see vision of every debatable time the ball goes out for a throw-in.
This is supposed to help refs but instead due to such idiotic implementation it's placing more pressure on them.
I don't get it as well but it happens in Italy as well, I saw an example earlier in the week. There should not even be a screen by the pitch. It goes to the VAR and gets decided quickly, one or two replays and if that is not enough it is not an obvious error and the decision stands.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby blahblah Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Nix are 3-0 after 29 minutes :shock:

Could be a long night for Roar supporters.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby Stuckey Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:18 pm

Nix are 3-0 after 29 minutes :shock:

Could be a long night for Roar supporters.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby sevengoals Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:58 pm

MV1-1WSW
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Victory one yellow/red and 4 yellows.
WSW 2 yellows.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby otto62 Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:21 am

Ned Zelic is an idiot. Laughs at Milligan' two footed studs up late challenge and calls it "common sense" not to show him a second yellow despite admitting it was a yellow card offence. MV just cement the fact they are a bunch of thugs.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby bpowell454 Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:50 pm

CCM down Sydney 2-0

Happy to see them lose, especially to CCM. Now we just need city and newcastle to lose to bring all their fans back to reality.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby Ghost Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:25 pm

CCM down Sydney 2-0

Happy to see them lose, especially to CCM. Now we just need city and newcastle to lose to bring all their fans back to reality.
Missed this game, HUGE RESULT. WOW.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby Stuckey Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:09 am

CCM all over them as well. One of the most enjoyable HAL games I've watched in a while from a neutral perspective.
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Re: HAL Season 2017/18 - Other Matches

Postby EdDog Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:15 am

Must beat Newy today. Will only be 2 wins out of top 2 if we do.

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